The Great Pseudo Scam Sham Slam
Wednesday, November 16, 2011
We keep hearing the same thing from pseudosceptics about Rossi - "It's a scam!".
You will see the same breathless "It's a scam!" proclamation written in the comments section of almost every eCat article or blog, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of the very few people saying it have the same three things in common - they never stop to explain how the "scam" is supposed to work, they appear have a clear establishment bias and to them Rossi is worthy of a much coveted place in Ocean's 11.
They seem desperate for everyone to believe them, when most of us are content to see how this all plays out, having never invested a single penny. Why is this? There is not one single individual I know of that has a single penny invested in Rossi's eCat yet the drooling pseudos would have us believe that Bernie Madoff has been re-incarnated and relocated to Italy and we're all in desperate need of their protection from the evil eCat.
Have you noticed that the pseudosceptics do something else that's very odd as well? They seem to manifest a bizarre and irrational concern for the financial well being of invisible investors whom they've never met and yet they are for some unexplainable reason, desperate to protect. Isn't that just the queerest behaviour? Especially when the private central banks are successfully pulling the biggest con in decades on hundreds of millions of people right now. Are the sceptics trying to protect us from them? Are the scep-ticks doing anything about the Indian call centres who call you weekly to pretend your computer has a virus and then quickly take your credit card details? So what's the obsession with Rossi all about then? Clearly they couldn't give a toss about protecting people's wallets - it's a smokescreen for another agenda and people need to get wise to this.
The pseudos describe themselves as sceptics or "critical thinkers", but what they forget is that to be a true critical thinker or sceptic involves being critical of your OWN hypothesis as well as others, otherwise we are ALL sceptics and the meaning of the term "sceptic" is rendered useless.
Their style of self-branding as "critical thinkers" also has an implicit declaration of superiority, by somehow implying that everyone else does not apply their own critical thinking processes.
Not once have the all seeing all knowing "critical thinkers" explained to us gullible mortals the explanations behind the accusations they throw at Rossi. I for one would like to know, so I don't get conned.
The definition of a scam is: a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.
Whether the pseudosceptics like it or not, the fact remains that they no more know the truth than anyone else. If we are to belive that there is indeed proof of irregularities of one form or another then let's hear it! Let's have the hard evidence please.
Where are the double crossed investors? Where are the irate scammed customers? Where are the gullible venture capitalists who've been taken for a ride? Nowhere to be seen. Why has it taken Rossi so long to cash in on this? Wouldn't he have cashed out at the very peak of the preceedings after the 1MW demo? That's a bit odd isn't it, but the pseudos don't mention this.
Why are Defkalion still defending Rossi technology despite Rossi's clear contempt for them? Are they in on it as well? Are we to assume that the various multinationals involved so far have not carried out due diligence? Is it conceivable that Focardi, Bianchini, Rossi wife, the milkman, the tramp in the park and other individuals have been conned for years, or are the pseudos saying that THEY are all in on the long con as well?
Why conduct 5 or so public demos, every time risking the whole thing on some over-observant
nosey bastard spotting the deliberate mistake? Why would you say you are going to demo a 1MW plant and then only demo a half megawatt? Why not go the whole hog and say you done a full 1MW? These questions are avoided by the "critical thinkers".
Next time the pseudos say "scam", ask them to provide proof since they are all such experts on how the great con is supposed to work, or maybe get them to explain how something so complex and underhand can be run for such a long time in the presence of so many highly educated and competent people. Ask them for the same thing they demand from believers - ask for a scientific and well thought out reasoning and dimes to dollars they can't do it.
And what about all the bribes that Rossi is being accused of issuing? By my reckoning he'd have spent more on bribes than he could ever expect to get back from the first 2 years sales of eCats.
If the pseudos are to be believed Rossi has also overnight become the world's most talented actor worthy of several Academy Awards, not to mention becoming a master at hiding giveaway body language in every one of his videos so far.
If you believe the pseudos then that's quite a scam he's got going there, not to mention he's a helluva talented individual.
I don't pretend to know exactly what is going on with the whole eCat thing and how it will all turn out in the end, but one thing is for sure - at this precise moment in time the scam hypothesis being touted is speculative crapola based on nothing more than a dripping mixture of unsubstantiated horse manure, establishment fear, bias and paranoia.
You will see the same breathless "It's a scam!" proclamation written in the comments section of almost every eCat article or blog, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of the very few people saying it have the same three things in common - they never stop to explain how the "scam" is supposed to work, they appear have a clear establishment bias and to them Rossi is worthy of a much coveted place in Ocean's 11.
They seem desperate for everyone to believe them, when most of us are content to see how this all plays out, having never invested a single penny. Why is this? There is not one single individual I know of that has a single penny invested in Rossi's eCat yet the drooling pseudos would have us believe that Bernie Madoff has been re-incarnated and relocated to Italy and we're all in desperate need of their protection from the evil eCat.
Have you noticed that the pseudosceptics do something else that's very odd as well? They seem to manifest a bizarre and irrational concern for the financial well being of invisible investors whom they've never met and yet they are for some unexplainable reason, desperate to protect. Isn't that just the queerest behaviour? Especially when the private central banks are successfully pulling the biggest con in decades on hundreds of millions of people right now. Are the sceptics trying to protect us from them? Are the scep-ticks doing anything about the Indian call centres who call you weekly to pretend your computer has a virus and then quickly take your credit card details? So what's the obsession with Rossi all about then? Clearly they couldn't give a toss about protecting people's wallets - it's a smokescreen for another agenda and people need to get wise to this.
The pseudos describe themselves as sceptics or "critical thinkers", but what they forget is that to be a true critical thinker or sceptic involves being critical of your OWN hypothesis as well as others, otherwise we are ALL sceptics and the meaning of the term "sceptic" is rendered useless.
Their style of self-branding as "critical thinkers" also has an implicit declaration of superiority, by somehow implying that everyone else does not apply their own critical thinking processes.
Not once have the all seeing all knowing "critical thinkers" explained to us gullible mortals the explanations behind the accusations they throw at Rossi. I for one would like to know, so I don't get conned.
The definition of a scam is: a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.
Whether the pseudosceptics like it or not, the fact remains that they no more know the truth than anyone else. If we are to belive that there is indeed proof of irregularities of one form or another then let's hear it! Let's have the hard evidence please.
Where are the double crossed investors? Where are the irate scammed customers? Where are the gullible venture capitalists who've been taken for a ride? Nowhere to be seen. Why has it taken Rossi so long to cash in on this? Wouldn't he have cashed out at the very peak of the preceedings after the 1MW demo? That's a bit odd isn't it, but the pseudos don't mention this.
Why are Defkalion still defending Rossi technology despite Rossi's clear contempt for them? Are they in on it as well? Are we to assume that the various multinationals involved so far have not carried out due diligence? Is it conceivable that Focardi, Bianchini, Rossi wife, the milkman, the tramp in the park and other individuals have been conned for years, or are the pseudos saying that THEY are all in on the long con as well?
Why conduct 5 or so public demos, every time risking the whole thing on some over-observant
nosey bastard spotting the deliberate mistake? Why would you say you are going to demo a 1MW plant and then only demo a half megawatt? Why not go the whole hog and say you done a full 1MW? These questions are avoided by the "critical thinkers".
Next time the pseudos say "scam", ask them to provide proof since they are all such experts on how the great con is supposed to work, or maybe get them to explain how something so complex and underhand can be run for such a long time in the presence of so many highly educated and competent people. Ask them for the same thing they demand from believers - ask for a scientific and well thought out reasoning and dimes to dollars they can't do it.
And what about all the bribes that Rossi is being accused of issuing? By my reckoning he'd have spent more on bribes than he could ever expect to get back from the first 2 years sales of eCats.
If the pseudos are to be believed Rossi has also overnight become the world's most talented actor worthy of several Academy Awards, not to mention becoming a master at hiding giveaway body language in every one of his videos so far.
If you believe the pseudos then that's quite a scam he's got going there, not to mention he's a helluva talented individual.
I don't pretend to know exactly what is going on with the whole eCat thing and how it will all turn out in the end, but one thing is for sure - at this precise moment in time the scam hypothesis being touted is speculative crapola based on nothing more than a dripping mixture of unsubstantiated horse manure, establishment fear, bias and paranoia.
18 comments:
Well Said.....!!!!!
Well, the same pseudo-skeptics say the E-cat is HUGE conspiracy, but 9/11 it's not! They are just keep repeating the main-stream dogma! Judge for yourself!
Looking forward to being able to invest in this technology!
I haven't said it's a scam - I have said I have my doubts and called Rossi a terrible businessman. If what he has is real, he is clueless about how to promote it and ramp up production meaningfully.
However, when you claim to change the world as he has, people should naturally be skeptical - the burden of proof is on him. I don't need independent lab verification or him to reveal all of his secrets, but if he wants me to believe him, he's got to give me a reason more than 'because I said so.'
Facts:
1) We don't know if there was a real customer on 10/28 because everything was a secret.
2) We don't know for a fact that the machine was in self-sustain mode - Rossi controlled the experiment.
3) We don't know that he's "sold" more devices.
4) The partnership with NI is meaningless - I could enter into the same agreement with them.
Opinion:
People who believe everything Rossi says at face-value are more annoying than people who are skeptical of everything he says.
haters will hate....
Oh no.
EVERY engineer would be very happy if the E-Cat really works - it would be a very neat machine from the scientific and technical point of view (and every engineer is also a human and will be glad if he can save money paid for energy).
But NO engineer can accept the arrangement of Rossi's experiments - such level of measurement would be acceptable on high school with prevailing orientation to humanities but nobody with university-grade scientific or technical background is able to accept such amateurism.
I wonder how the university professors are able to cooperate on something similar - if their student will come with such experiment arrangement and measurement methods, they would send him to work in MacDonald and not in science or technology.
I wish so much that Rossi succeeds - but every new message from him turns rest of my hopes down.
[Sorry for my English.]
Nice rant. I even agree with parts of it. I haven't figured out how exactly Rossi is supposed to end up anywhere other than jail if he is committing a fraud. That's not much of an end-game for him.
And, let's be clear, it's rather binary. He either has what he says he has, or he is knowingly committing fraud. There is no middle ground here, such as if he were just 'misinterpreting' data. Maybe you could have said that early on, but not any more.
On the other hand, the reasons to assume it is a scam go on, and on, and on. Rossi appears to be going out of his way to make this entire thing be impossible to believe.
Such incredibly simple things he could have done to make his story just a bit more believable.
I'm with you. Time will tell. However, the assumption that it is most likely a scam is, and should be, the default position until proven otherwise. And Rossi certainly hasn't done much to make his case.
I think you forget the reason that some of the skeptics are upset about the whole affair. It's not some deep concern about some hypothetical investor getting ripped off. (And, let's be clear, no customer can be ripped off because they would have received an actual product that either does, or does not work. And, if it doesn't work, they would sue.)
I think the concern is the damage Rossi is doing to LENR in general. If he is running a scam, good luck having any LENR experiment make mainstream media in the future. This is a legitimate concern for those who have fought hard to get LENR taken seriously these past two decades.
The circus that Rossi is running is doing 'mainstream' LENR (meaning LERN work that is published through a peer review system and replicated) a great disservice.
For example, I believe this is what motivates Krivit. I think Krivit honestly believes that Rossi is running a scam. In his own mind 'he knows it'. And, he's pissed off at how this is affecting the rest of LENR work being done by scientists who don't also work for Barnum and Baily's Circus.
John
@Synthesis - judge based on what? Secret customers? Non-public, "public" demonstrations? Blog news sources that are in bed with Rossi (PENS)? Rossi keeps saying to judge him by his product... well, we need a product to do that, so skepticism is certainly warranted whether or not Rossi's actions point to a clear fraud scheme.
Step 1: Make a wild accusation or claim about an invention that will change the world.
Step 2: Shroud the entire endeavor in non-disclosure agreement and secrecy.
Step 3: The onus is on sceptics to prove that the whole thing is a scam.
Step 4: Make fun of the ignorance and backward ness of those who claim it is a scam without any proof to base it on.
Rossi has had many months to provide some evidence that his E-Cat units work, but has refused to do so. All he had to do was let a few university engineering departments test an E-Cat using their own instruments for measuring the electrical input and heat output. They'd write peer-reviewed papers that would convince the whole world that Rossi was for real. At that point he wouldn't need customers or investors. Every Western government would throw tens of billions of dollars at him to get his E-Cat system ready for commercial use.
If it's not a scam, why hasn't Rossi allowed any 3rd party to verify that it works? Why all the silly desktop demonstrations using his own instruments? Why a secret customer for his 1MW model?
I really wish Rossi's E-Cat really worked, but I have no reason to believe it does at this time.
what is the difference between a pseudo-skeptic and a real one?
Actually the scam is already generating revenue, according to Mats Lewan's interview of Craig Cassarino Ampenergo has already payed Rossi an undisclosed sum of money.
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece
Also there have been very similar scams in the past. Google Tilley Foundation, Inc. or Madison Priest
I like reading about the E-cat, and I'm curious how this whole story will end.
The way I do it, by regularly googling for the latest news on the topic, I got to read much more complaints about "pseudosceptics" than comments from "pseudosceptics". I think that there are arguments for both sides.
Rossi could have performed tests that would have convinced us all without any doubt. That he did not does not mean that it is a scam, but I can understand how people can think it is.
If anyone can figure out a way of framing a wager in such a way that a winner can be decided to both parties satisfaction, I'll gladly put 1000 dollars, euros or pounds on this being a scam.
Any takers?
A pseudo skeptic hasn't proved the thing is fake. A real one has. Remember step #3 the onus is on the skeptic to prove that the thing is false. Given that step #2 makes all data unavailable then #3 is impossible.
There has been no robust demonstration by Rossi that his device performs as claimed. None. Since such a demonstration would be so easy to arrange, if his device works as claimed, not to do so suggests fraud. Duh.
I sincerely hope it is genuine. If so maybe Italy could benefit by paying off debts and even start to contribute to Europe rather than suck the blood from it.
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