When Two Tribes Go To War

Friday, August 5, 2011

In case you didn't know, World War 3 started this year.

Not China and America, but 2 much bigger foes who wouldn't last 2 seconds in a lift together without handbagging each other to death for simply exchanging glances. Yes, we are talking about the "special" relationship between New Energy Times's Steven B Krivit and Italian Cold Fusion supremo, Andrea Rossi.

Last week in the third episode of Shock and Awe, Krivit fired his latest salvo of tactical nukes at a defiant Rossi.  With all the anticipation of waiting for Duke Nukem Forever (It'll be ready when it's ready) I waited to see what delights it would contain.

When Krivit's imaginatively titled Report No.3 was released, the laser guided information bomb the size of War and Peace with a total of 37 (yes, thirty-seven) appendices strapped to it (I'm still only on number 8) made it's way to Rossi's Florida home where I'm told a mushroom cloud could still be seen days later.

But in the end, did Krivit deliver an ICBM that Rummy would be proud of, or was it just a damp firework stuck fizzing in the ground at the local park? To be honest, I got bored by page 3 of appendix 1.  Had I not been researching it in order to write about it, I would have maybe printed it off and simply used it to jam under shortest leg of my Chinese made (authentic mahogany) coffee table.

Looking at the report, all the same vaguely scientific arguments are in there from episode 2.  There are also a total of 11 separate reports on "steam analysis" by experts in the field of youtuberoscopy. To top it all off there is another stomach churning regurgitation of Rossi's less than saint like past which (not for the first time) looks like a cheap shot and nothing more. (Need we talk about the Pope's chequered past again?) Ed.

I wondered what the great unwashed had thought of Krivit's blockbuster sized epic, so I took a glance at the comments section underneath hoping to find the answer. It was just as I had feared, a cacophany of sycophantic praise from the Krivit choirboys liberally sprinked with some Rossi bashing and finished off with a caremelised jous of token pro Rossi crapola to make it "fair and balanced".

With all the charm and neocon grace of Bill O'Reilly there seemed to be no end to the Rossi condemnation and "scammer" talk, which in the end prompted me to write my OWN comment and perhaps introduce some other alternative theories that were simply not being discussed (even as a possibility).

Anywho - here's my comment and subsequent response I recieved.

Steven,

I don’t believe the “scam” hypothesis one tiny bit and I’ll explain why.

If he’s out to scam someone, then it’s not clear how this would be played out. You said yourself that no-one has seen “verifiable evidence of this “couple of hundred million Euros of investment?”.

Scammers will let the scenario play out for as long as possible, creaming as much money as they can from gullible people and this does NOT sit comfortably with the fact that Rossi has given HIMSELF a self-imposed deadline of end of October. There are a lot of high profile people who were at the Defkalion presentation and I don’t think they would take kindly to being scammed. And if Rossi is a scammer, then he should be getting an Oscar for his performance, as he has maintained a perfect performance which would be nothing short of miraculous.

Assuming for a minute that it is a “scam” leaves us with further problems where the logic does not fit the hypothesis. Prof Giuseppe Levi would have to be “in on it”, and as a respected phycisist at a very prestigious university with EVERYTHING to lose, it’s highly unlikely.

A scammer would certainly not agree to let ANYONE test ANY aspect of their device, let alone allowing one go to University of Upssala and Bologna and then PAYING THEM 500,000 Euros out of his own pocket for the privilege.

Rossi is not exactly hard-up for cash since he owns a few companies. He’s spent an awful lot of his OWN money, so money as a motivation seems absurd.

I think at worst, the eCat doesn’t produce as much power as is being touted. I think it’s easily possible that the eCat was not operating at “full steam” (if you pardon the pun) when you observed it, or that Rossi misconfigured it on the day, or that he was nervous of showing much for patent reasons, or any number of other technical issues that he’d rather not admit to.

Rossi may not have wanted to portray the eCat as unreliable and so the simple answer may be that he was simply embarrassed. Have you considered those possibilities instead of complex and highly unbelievable conspiracy scenarios?


Craig

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My comment did not make it past the Chinese firewall, but generated this response instead. 


Sent to Craig  via e-mail
July 8, 2011
Hi Craig,
I’m considering publishing your post

I certainly don’t want to perpetuate any myths and I’m sure you don’t either.

Before I publish your post, I want to invite you support the following statements you made with your best factual evidence:

1. One of Rossi’s devices has gone to the University of Uppsala for testing.
2. One of Rossi’s devices has gone to the University of Bologna for testing.
3. Rossi has paid either of those institutions a single Euro.
4. Rossi is not hard-up for cash.
5. Rossi spent an awful lot of his OWN money.

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All the Rossi bashing posts and congratulatory back patting on a"job well done" seemed to make their way past the censors with unbridled ease. However, my own post was stopped at the border and asked to explain itself.

Now I don't pretend to know exactly what the heck is going on with this whole eCat thing.  It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma and dropped into a deep well full of confusion, but I DO know that the discussion needs to move beyond the confines of world championship steam debating and the Petroldragon saga.

And since I'm down under, my responses to comments and emails have their own unique form of jet-lag which results from the fact that I'm usually sleeping when the rest of the world is up and about.  Anyone who knows me will tell you that I reply to emails the way a sloth does the 100 metres.  And besides - last night was the third last night of MasterChef; Smoke bellowing down the hallway and the fire alarm shrieking itself to death would not have shifted my arse from the couch.

And what was my pennance for not being glued to the Rossi debate 24/7 ? See below.

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[Brown did not reply.]
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Yes, I would have replied, but was not given much time to do so. Apart from sleeping while most bloggers are active and taking my coffee table back to the shop because one of the authentic mahogany plastic legs fell off,  I have a life outside engaging in late-night discussions about steam. I can think of 437 better things I could be doing.

Now the questions I've been asked are lawyer's questions.  Krivit knows fine well I cannot prove any of these things about Rossi (yet), but to be honest people, it's only a comment on a blog, it's only a comment. No one's life depends on it. Do all comments on blogs now need to have accompanying documentation?

I can't prove that any eCats have been sent to any University yet, but what DOES exist is a written agreement on the University of Bologna's website (so are we to assume that the University of Bologna is in on the conspiracy)?  I think not.

I'm not Rossi's accountant so I couldn't tell you if he's paid the University of Bologna yet, or even if he's paid his subscription to Cold Fusion Weekly, but publicly he has comitted himself to these things - and why would you do that if you really don't need to? 

As for being cashed up, I'm sure the fact that he owns several companies must mean that he's not exactly down the dole office every week with the arse hanging out of his trousers. Do I need proof for that too?

And a blind, deaf and dumb dung beetle can see that Rossi has spent an incredible amount of his own time and money over the years on getting this to a commercial stage - this is supported by countless others testimony and documentation. 

But what really takes the biscuit is that my comment has to jump through more hoops than a nervous springel spaniel at Crufts while the the Krivit choirboys can make speculative and wild accusations WITHOUT backing up THEIR own comments.
 
The people shouting "scam" seem to have forgotten that Rossi did not instigate the public demonstration and attention.  That particular request came from Prof Sergio Focardi who urged Rossi to do so. If Rossi wanted to pull a scam and disappear with money, then it seems a crazy thing to start attracting attention to himself when he was ALREADY in talks with Ampenergo and Defkalion.
 
When people accuse Rossi of scam they don't realise that to do so also implicates Prof Giuseppe Levi, Prof Sergio Focardi, and Prof Christos Stremmenos and involves the duping of NASA, the Greek Deputy Minister for Industry & Energy, Defkalion, Ampenergo and the fooling of 2 world-class scientists, one of which decides Nobel Physics prizes. Not to mention another dozen or so dignitaries who attended the Defkalion announcement. I simply don't believe that this is a logical hypothesis and that not one, but THREE well respected scientists are part of a conspiracy to scam.
 
I'd sooner believe my Chinese slave goods table was made of mahogany.


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9 comments:

Paw Suddergaard August 5, 2011 at 5:38 PM  

Well played sir!

October seems so far away. I really hope the eCat is true, and has a great future ahead.

FE Truth August 5, 2011 at 6:46 PM  

Thanks, and I also hope it turns out to be true. God knows we need something like this.

John August 6, 2011 at 1:18 AM  

The thing is, your website is filled with declarative statements about Rossi as if certain things were known proven facts, which clearly they are not.

I do agree that the scam hypothesis is somewhat challenged, as it's difficult to see how Rossi ends up anywhere, in the end, other than in jail or court.

Then again, his checkered past is relevant and his behavior has been highly suspicious. His actions are the same as those of many free energy scammers of the past.

I find it amusing that you think this October date is some kind of a drop-dead date when, in fact, that goal post can and will be moved as needed.

To date there is very little 'proof' about anything out of Rossi, just claims and stories.

And, don't think anyone is going to believe his 1mw plant in October even if he claims to be running one.

The proof required is simple and straightforward. The device needs to be independently confirmed, and not as a black box, but instead completely open. We need to move away from this idiotic debate about 'steam' and instead he should demonstrate the devices as a closed system, producing electricity, that can be measured nice and simple with a amp-meter.

A device which is not plugged into a wall, not hooked up to a battery, not filled with solution producing a powerful chemical reaction, that can produce usable electricity for an extended period of time (say on the order of weeks) would be impressive. To my understanding no such device has yet been demonstrated; only claimed.

And, of course, the experiment should be published and replicated.

Now, I know all of the rationalizations as to why none of these things are being done. To 'protect' his investment and intellectual property.

However, this is the same excuse used by hundreds of previous free-energy scammers in the past.

That is why, after literally centuries of inventors claiming they have produced a 'free energy' device, not a single one has ever been independently replicated, mass produced, or made available to the public.

Not one.

Is Rossi's scam on a different order of magnitude than the guy demonstrating a gravity wheel on YouTube? Sure, it's bigger and bolder. Perhaps you could be extremely generous and assume he's not consciously scamming but instead has simply misunderstood the effects he is measuring from the device.

You don't know, and neither do I. But, here's what I do know. Your website continues to further the claims of Rossi, largely unquestioned. If he is running a scam, then you are acting essentially as his accomplice by promoting his claims as if they were true without verifying them. You want to claim he sent $500,000 euros to a University, you need to back that up. Otherwise you are just repeating a story Rossi told, and helping him spread his lies and deceit.

I don't believe that 'come October' we will know. I believe that 'come October', either the plant will be delayed, or he will claim it is working and no one will be able to independently verify that it actually is.

The only proof, period, is independent replication. It's as simple as that.

John

Alchemist August 6, 2011 at 4:43 AM  

Well said - a balanced view.

It's obvious that Krivit has his own agenda whatever that may be.

I have been following this thing all year - it is a phenomenon and my gut instinct tells me it's for real.

Rossi's experience with the eCat has given him an unshakable conviction that the thing works beyond one's wildest dreams - that conviction carries him through and ensures that he is impervious to critics - he does not need them and he needs to convince no-one.

Indeed the way he is playing it is to his ultimate advantage as the skeptics and nay-sayers keep the meddling media away and allow him to do his work.

Something of this stature for the world will always force its way through - it has its own logic - all of us, Rossi included are but tools of destiny.

Metaholic August 6, 2011 at 11:20 AM  

I'll believe it when I'll see it.... And cry halleluya :)
I just hope the illuminati or other parts of the power structure won't assaniate this project. Although the petro dollar ponzibis runnig out of reality even faster than any cold fusion feasibility ;)

John August 7, 2011 at 4:05 AM  

I would like to add to my comment. Statements like mine, which are critical and skeptical in tone, are often met with a view by free energy proponents that perhaps I am some sort of 'skeptibunker'. One of those guys who hangs out with James Randi and Penn and Teller. One of those guys who frequents skeptics conventions and has a completely closed mind.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I am extremely open minded, but being open minded doesn't mean that you open your mind so much your brains fall out, you don't suddenly change the threshold for what is considered acceptable evidence.

I want to be perfectly clear. Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, would make me happier than to be proven completely wrong. I would shout from the rooftops and cry halleluiah if Rossi's device actually worked as claimed and, most importantly, could be delivered to individual homes and businesses rather than coming only through the power grid. (If it comes through the power grid it actually will not create a great deal of change; it just means the power companies will make even more profit.)

So, I want to be wrong. I want Rossi to succeed. However, his actions to date do not fill me with a great deal of confidence that this is going to happen.

As an open minded person, I have read websites and forums from hundreds of people claiming to have a 'free energy' device and they have all proven, 100%, at all times, to be completely bogus.

So, I'm right now leaning on the side of history; what has been the outcome of all previous free energy claims in the past.

But, I hope I'm wrong................

John

dobermanmacleod August 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM  

One more thing that is being overlooked here: teams of experts have publicly witnessed the Rossi E-Cat "kitten" yielding so much more over unity that they say it can only be explained as a nuclear reaction.

I want to know how it is that a device that is only yielding as much energy as it takes in can fool experts into thinking that it is producing that much more energy.

Stated another way: how can a device that is yielding so much more energy that it takes in can be questioned as not doing so?

As background: there has always been an understandable question of devices that are said to produce a little over unity. That can be attributed to experimental error.

By the way, for those unfamiliar with psychology: the human mind usually first decides whether it is legitimate or not, then all evidence is filtered to reinforce the original opinion. Having talked to Krivit, I am confident that he is simply trying to rationalize his (in my opinion false) belief that Rossi is a fraud.

Anonymous,  September 8, 2011 at 6:08 PM  

Whether or not this is "real" is something that will be clear soon enough. I have no monetary investment in it, I have no professional credibility at stake, I don't even have to worry about personal pride. I hope it is real but if it isn't then it isn't.

That said I do believe Rossi is on to something. This has gone too far to simply be a sham. If it was why is defkalion still moving forward when they had the perfect opportunity to back out when Rossi split with them?

If it were a sham why hasn't anyone come forward and said so from inside the scam? If it were a sham why would Rossi actually invite government scientists from several countries including NASA personnel?

I would have to wonder what he would have to gain by making claims he cannot back up except public derision and jail time. To me it just doesn't feel like a lie.

No matter, by the end of the year he will either be exposed or his name will be on the lips of every person on earth. I for one am willing to wait and see.

Anonymous,  September 8, 2011 at 6:21 PM  

What I do not understand is the necessity some feel to level charges of scam at Rossi. If they do not believe it then fine, that’s up to them but knee jerk reactions and displays of an almost pathological need to scream” I’m not being taken in!" seem trivial and for a man like Krivit beneath his stature. Does it cost him to stand by and wait? Why the need to scream scam from the rooftops? It seems he is emotionally invested, something a journalist should never be.

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