Steorn Debunkers Get It Wrong - Again!

Sunday, February 24, 2008

We're normally quite a serious bunch here at FETruth but sometimes one comes along that has us crying into our Guiness with laughter. In what will be seen now as an embarrasing and factually incorrect statement, Bob Park (famed debunker) recently wrote this little gem in his column when he referred to Steorn:

"In 2007 the company went belly-up."

FETruth: Really Bob? Are you 100% sure about that mate? Anywho, we'll get back to that, moving on..

Joining the party also was James Randi (another famed debunker) helpfully propogating Park's nonsense on his own JREF forums. (Park and he are old friends) Randi had this to say..

You’ll perhaps remember the Steorn company in Dublin who made the loud perpetual motion machine claims? They’d assembled a jury of scientists to evaluate their 2006 claim of generating free energy – we last referred to this miracle at, pointing out that it was simply the old reciprocating-magnet-wheel idea, and most likely just a way of luring investors. Well, Bob Park just informed us that they’re now out of business. Surprise! But what happened to the money that investors sent them…? Inquiring minds want to know. At you’ll find the story. There are other companies – with the same theme – offering the same miracle.

Steorn's response:
"Wow, I wish that some one would tell me this stuff, I need not have turned up to the office all that time. Good to see that JREF is reliable as ever! "

FE Truth comments: Had Park bothered to make a simple telephone call to Steorn's offices he would have found that they're very much alive and in business as usual, the jury is still active, the SPDC is in full flow -(I logged in and spoke to Steorn staff this morning), and the Steorn webservers hosting tens of thousands of users are still operating as normal.

Debunkers need something to debunk, just happens they picked the wrong one this time. Had they used logic and made the most basic of enquiries they'd have seen that Steorn are very much alive and conducting business as usual. If filling column inches on websites is the name keeps they're userbase coming back then at least they achieved that.




Science4u1959 February 25, 2008 at 4:36 PM  

I would like to inject something here.

Randi and Park and both pathological skeptics - nothing can convince such people, even if their own car was powered by a Orbo-inspired device. Although they are somewhat funny in their fanatical closemindedness, there is a more sinister side here. They are trying to discredit the company and the people behind it, now that they perhaps fear that it might all very well be true.

One of the old and proven, "ultimate" debunkers weapon is "don't fight the data if it's hard - discredit the people. It's easier". Also referred to as the "ad hominem" attack. This is, of course, the ultimate and factual proof of the debunker's intellectual bankruptcy.

The sinister thing, of course, is the fact that potentially interested people (perhaps potential investors) are scared away this way. As always, mainstream media will be quick to pick up on Park's lies - bad news sells, good news doesn't. I think that's the ultimate agenda - in the hope that Steorn would fail as a result. Randi and Park are trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy through disinformation and lies. Divide and conquer.

Anonymous,  February 26, 2008 at 8:01 AM  

This is nothing but semantics. Steorn is dead, there is no Orbo. They're just spending their investors' money as fast as they can.

ben,  March 18, 2008 at 6:37 AM  

"nothing can convince such people, even if their own car was powered by a Orbo-inspired device."

Whose care is being powered by an Orbo-inspired device, exactly? No-one's. What is being powered by an Orbo-inspired device exactly? NOTHING. That's right, absolutely nothing.

Randi and just about anyone will believe anything that you can prove to be remotely true. You can't. You've got nothing. No evidence, no facts, just hand-waving and lies. Come up with something convincing and you'll convince people. Otherwise, why should anyone be convinced? What have you done to convince anyone? Why should I, Randi, or Park, or anyone, believe you if you can't offer proof of your claims? Put up or shut up. What's Orbo powering? Let's see Orbo in action. Come on, let's have it?

Got nothing? Of course you've got nothing. Just lies and whining, lies and smears, lies and more lies.

Science4u1959 March 19, 2008 at 2:48 PM  

@Ben: a team of world-class scientists testing the actual device(s), is that real enough for you? Do some research before you accuse anybody of lies... or perhaps you're family of Randi and/or Park?

The Administrator March 20, 2008 at 3:42 PM  

Everyone will see in the end that what we've been saying about Steorn is the truth.

The free energy Orbo tech is coming to market and there's nothing that anyone can do about it.

It's good news for us and bad news for control freaks and oil cartels.

It truly is "story of the century", but because of the reputation that perpetual motion has, no one will believe it yet.

In time people will see that what we've been saying is 100% accurate.

evolvealready,  April 18, 2008 at 7:48 AM  

"Steorn Debunkers Get It Wrong - Again!"
When did they get it wrong the first time?

The Administrator April 21, 2008 at 9:20 AM  

LOL - Everytime they open their mouth. :-)

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